BlogWorld #1: “Should I Self-Publish or Get a Book Deal?” with Scott Stratten and Jim Kukral


This is the first in a series of three posts about some of the sessions I attended at BlogWorld Expo, New York 2012. The full series is:

Important: While I’ve done my best to capture the message of each session, I’m working from my personal notes, rather than transcripts or any official materials. Unless a passage appears in quotation marks, it’s a paraphrase of what was said, rather than a direct quote.

One of the must-catch sessions on my BlogWorld list was Scott Stratten and Jim Kukral discussing traditional vs self-publishing.

I’m currently working on Publishing e-Books For Dummies – a book emphatically for self-publishers, produced by a huge traditional publisher (John Wiley & Sons) … so as you might guess, I’ve got plenty of respect for both halves of the publishing debate.

Scott and Jim’s session, moderated by Jay Baer, was a lively and mainly good-natured debate – perhaps a little too combative at times for my gentle British nature 😉 – and they both made some great points.

Before I get into a summary of what was said, I’ll give you a bit of background on Scott and Jim.

Who’s Scott Stratten and What Has He Written?

Scott Stratten blogs at UnMarketing.

He’s a speaker and consultant, and regularly has a keynote session at BlogWorld.

His current book is UnMarketing: Stop Marketing, Start Engaging, published by John Wiley & Sons. (He has another due out in a few months.)

Who’s Jim Kukral and What Has He Written?

Jim Kukral blogs at JimKukral. He also runs Digital Book Launch, for self-publishing authors.

He’s an author and speaker.

His current books include:

  • Attention! This Book Will Make You Money
  • No Publisher Needed
  • Write a F*$’ing Book Already
  • The Ultimate Digital Book Promotion Handbook

…and more (you can see nine listed on his home page).

The Advantages of Traditional Publishing and of Self-Publishing

Scott opened by saying that there’s no “right” answer to the question of traditional vs self-publishing. He emphasised that, while self-publishing is good for niche books and provides more money per book sold, traditional publishing is still relevant.

For Scott, traditional publishing lets him expand his platform. As a business writer, it gives him extra revenue streams (like speaking) – as well as greater respect and recognition within the industry. There’s still something significant about a publisher saying that they think a book is worth spending money on.

Jim opened by saying that, while he doesn’t dislike publishers, he does dislike the business model of traditional publishing – he thinks it’s broken. As a self-published writer, he can move faster, keep his rights, and make more money.

However, Jim recognised that authors need to write a great book, whether they’re self-publishing or not. He suggested that self-publishers have a wide range of options open to them, in order to use some of the best parts of the traditional publishing process – like crowdfunding an advance through sites like Kickstarter, or outsourcing tasks like cover design and editing to experts in those areas.

Does Self-Publishing Lack Standards?

Scott raised the point that the reader doesn’t know if a self-published book is any good. He expressed concern about that lack of a third-party voice in self-publishing – no editors or agents to act as gatekeepers.

For Scott, self-published books look self-published – they don’t have the same polish as traditionally published ones.

(Jim differed here, believing that while there are sub-standard books out there, self-publishing is working towards high standards – and that readers are the ultimate arbitrators of value.)

Key Differences Between Traditional and Self-Publishing

Effort: Self-publishing takes more effort – one of Scott’s key objections! There’s still a credibility gap – according to Scott, at least; Jim feels that self-publishing has reached the point where you can get the same benefits and kudos from a self-published book as a traditional one.

Money: Scott’s main focus is on building his platform and making money through speaking and consulting, whereas direct royalties are more important to Jim. Both agreed that the money earned per book sold is considerably higher in self-publishing.

Bookstore presence: For Scott, having his book on physical shelves – and even seeing it at the airport – was important. Jim argued that physical books are rapidly becoming a thing of the past, going as far as to say that within a couple of years, we won’t be buying print books at all.

Speed: Jim has put out eight self-published books (some of them are very short) in the past 18 months. The traditional publishing process takes more time, and this can be a particular problem for topical books.

Rights: When you self-publish, you keep the rights to your material – and you can publish it elsewhere. For Jim, this was really important; his first traditionally-published book didn’t sell too well, but he’s unable to re-use that content.

Building Your Author Platform

Both Scott and Jim agreed that, whatever method of publication you’re aiming for, building a strong author platform is important. You need a platform to interest traditional publishers – and if you’re going to self-publish, you have to be able to market and sell your book.

Scott uses Twitter and his blog as core forms of platform building, as well as his Unmarketing book as a way to bring more people to those platforms.

Jim sees his books themselves as a key element of his platform; once people have bought one, they’re on his email list.

As part of your author platform, Scott and Jim both mentioned how important it is to build a mailing list. You need to encourage people to engage with you once they’ve finished reading your book (by email, on Twitter, or on Facebook). Scott gets people to engage while they’re reading Unmarketing, by telling them to email their “Yeah!” moments to

Control or Credibility?

Jim highlighted one of the key reasons to self-publish – having full control over your book and how it’s marketed, being able to tweak the contents, blurb, cover image, and so on.

Scott clearly felt that traditional publishing has much more credibility: Jim disagreed, saying that within a few years, readers won’t care whether a book is traditionally or self-published.

What I Think

I felt that both Jim and Scott made excellent points. However … I think they also painted a slightly too rosy view of their chosen publication methods.

Scott made traditional publishing sound easier, and more attractive, than it is. As Jim pointed out to the members of the audience, “You’re not Scott Stratten.” I have a huge amount of admiration for Scott – he’s built a massive online platform (over 120,000 Twitter followers) and he’s a very, very good public speaker. I’m definitely not Scott, and I don’t mind Jim pointing that out. 😉

The reality of publishing today is that it’s hard to get a traditional book deal. I’m certainly not saying it’s impossible – or that your writing isn’t good enough – but publishers are increasingly expecting authors to have an existing platform. When I go to book conferences and attend talks by agents, it’s not uncommon to hear them say that they get hundreds of submissions every week – and take on just a handful of books each year.

However … Jim made self-publishing sound a bit too easy as well. Yes, there’s no barrier to entry; yes, you can put your book up on Kindle this week. But Scott’s right that the self-publishing stigma isn’t entirely gone.

Like it or not, a book with the backing of a major publisher is going to sound more impressive (and it generally is going to look more professional) than one you’ve put out yourself.

I think both traditional and self-publishing are great routes, and the choice doesn’t come down to which is “better” in the abstract – but to which is better for you and for your book. For me, that meant self-publishing my niche business books (The Blogger’s Guides), self-publishing my novel (Lycopolis), and gratefully accepting a traditional deal for a more general-interest non-fiction book (Publishing e-Books for Dummies, coming out this September).

Whichever route you take, there’ll be hard work involved. You’ll need to market your book (even if you’re traditionally published) – and you’re unlikely to get rich overnight.

For me, though, the thrill of getting my work into readers’ hands – whether that’s through my own efforts or in partnership with a publisher – is absolutely worth it.


Thanks to Scott Stratten and Jim Kukral for a great talk (and to Jay Baer for moderating).

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17 thoughts on “BlogWorld #1: “Should I Self-Publish or Get a Book Deal?” with Scott Stratten and Jim Kukral

  1. Wow, what a great assessment/recap of what went down in the session. You really nailed it. You forgot to mention the part about me winning though. 🙂 Haha, just kidding. It was a great debate and I’ll be interested in doing it again in a few years to see where the industry is. Thanks again.

    • Thanks, Jim! Actually, I snuck out before the end of the Q&A (I had to go get videoed by BlogWorld) so I guess I missed you being crowned winner…

      And I’m very much looking forward to seeing where the industry goes over the next few years … would love to hear you and Scott debate this again in, say, 2017. 🙂

  2. Hey everyone,

    I think that both Scott and Jim made great points about tradtional and self publishing but I think I’m going to have to side with Jim on this one.

    I think the reward of creating your book all the way through with the content inside, the cover design, and the price setting. You’d really be creating your book!

    Thanks for the post 🙂

    • Thanks, Shaquandra! And I probably lean towards Jim’s side more than Scott’s … but I can definitely see the benefits of working with a traditional publisher too.

    • Thanks LaVonne! Great link … I’m not sure I can easily work it into the book at this stage (and their model is a bit different from the process I’m recommending) — but thanks for letting me know about it. 🙂

    • Thanks Steve. And yep, for me, it’s about being well-informed on the different options and weighing up the pros and cons.

  3. Perfect timing as always, Ali! My friends and I were *JUST* talking about the validity of Web Series versus Pitching To A Network.

    Essentially the same thing but in video form. I can pretty much use every self-publish argument for Web Series and every Traditional Publishing for Network.

    ^_^ Can’t wait to see what else you learned at BlogWorld.
    LycoRogue’s last blog post ..This Will Be Quick…

    • Great point — this debate transcends the medium! BlogWorld (now renaming to New Media Expo) had a Web TV track too, but I didn’t go to any of those sessions (maybe next time…!)

  4. I’m not convinced that traditional book production will become obsolete. For published writers of non-fiction (particularly academic) books, the low percentage royalty makes this less than lucrative, so I’m quite likely to go down the e-publishing route next time. Although having just read a really good ebook, I also bought the hard copy from a traditional bookshop!! I’m sure there are 1000s out there who do likewise. You just have to love it to keep doing all that writing for such poor returns!

    • Mary,
      I agree with you that traditional publishing may not phase out, at least any time soon.
      Your statement about buying an e-book and then buying a hard copy brings up another possibility for non-fiction books in particular.

      If the book can be broken down into parts, perhaps each chapter standing on its own, you could do a combination approach. Individual topics could be published as e-books, referencing back to the complete collection in a hard copy version. The e-book could state that it is an excerpt from the full version book.

      I’ve seen this done and it gives the advantages of both worlds.
      Steve Maurer’s last blog post ..What Your Writer Needs to Know

      • Mary, I’m far from convinced that print books are on the way out. So far, I’ve not ever bought a paper copy based on reading an ebook — but I’m sure it’ll happen! And when it comes to giving gifts, a wrapped-up print book does still seem much nicer than an Amazon gift voucher.

        Steve, I really like your idea here. I think this was the sort of thing Jim was getting at during the debate, where he talked about the fact that self-publishers can repurpose their content — rather than just publishing it once, in one form.

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